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for those of you who will complain about the fact that "I've never been to any concerts" you're wrong because I have I just don't wanna share where I went to for personal safety

I watched a live stream of Hammerhead at a grad party in a undisclosed location in King County, WA and I'm good friends with his guitarist who told me all about it

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I'm not sure if we played Buffalo, but I think we did. I know I played there with the Triple Threat Tour (BBD, Keith Sweat, Johnny Gill) a day or two before New Year's Eve 1990. It was butt cold on the load-out. But I don't think that was my first time there -- I think I'd been there on Run-DMC too.

Thanks for that Checkerdome link. That place was a storied pit. Beautiful, historic, and hell to rig a show in. Because of the way they framed the roof back at the time (the 20s, according to that wiki link), the only places in the roof you could hang points from were in two parallel lines on either side of the stage. That required something that riggers call "H-bridles," but what it meant in real life is that the lighting trusses had a huge amount of sway, up and down and side to side. The way you got up every day was on those little aluminum rope ladders, like trapeze artists use at the circus. In St. Louis, when you did that, for the first five or so rungs you climbed, instead of you going up, the truss came down to meet you, while you stayed on the stage. Once you finally got up on the rig, it would be rocking like a ship at sea from the commotion you made climbing up to it.

These days, with moving lights, no one climbs truss anymore unless something needs fixing. Back then, it was a daily thing.

Yes, Run's House was definitely considered a world tour. But there are differences in perspective, depending on where you are in the machinery.

For the artist, the fans, and the press, the "tour" has the broadest reach -- from the first show promoting the album to the last. For people involved in the production, they see only the leg they're involved in. For instance, I was a lighting guy on the U.S. arena leg of the tour, which started in April and ended mid-August, so for me that was the "tour." It had a beginning and an end. But for the artist, fans, and press, the tour was a lot longer and went a lot farther.

Then there are one-offs, which happen in one spot one time, without touring production (production = set + lights + sound + video, pyro, large inflatable beasts, whatever). If they happen in the middle of the tour (like those Seattle theater shows, or like tv appearances during the tour), they can be considered part of the tour. But production people not connected directly to the artist or their musical support techs mostly never see those days. If one-offs happen outside a tour, then they're just one-offs.

In Run-DMC's case, not long after the U.S. leg, they went on the Amnesty International tour. To me, that's a separate tour. But since it was probably the same set list and close in time, to people in the Run-DMC orbit, they may consider that part of the Run's House tour as well.

Oops -- haven't looked in a while. Thanks!

That itinerary book you found should be enough for adding everything it shows on those pages except for the scratched-out Costa Mesa and Tucson shows. Though I can't remember what happened with Fresno, Reno, Austin, or San Antonio. But my being unsure about those wouldn't trump the tour book printed source. (Like instant replay -- I'm not clear enough evidence to overturn the printed call on the field.)

Hang in there on Rochester and Worcester. I know those two shows happened; I was there. Can't help you with exact dates, though.

Rochester has a war memorial civic auditorium that's an exact replica of the one in Philly -- a U-shaped auditorium with a curtained stage at one end. That was the first time I played there, and might have been the only time. Pretty building, probably a 6,000 seater, built during the New Deal, I think. The Baltimore arena is similar in size and general shape on the inside, but I don't think it was built at the same time and is not pretty on the outside. Same for Buffalo.

I remember being excited about Worcester because I'm from New England and really wanted to play the Boston Garden. Never did. Worcester is a suburb about 40 minutes west, with a broken-down old arena that reminded me of the Spectrum in Philly before they blew that up. That was the only time I was ever in Worcester. Unlike Rochester, there wasn't anything particularly memorable about the show, but I remember the place.

It would be cool if you put up the first three shows -- Richmond, Baltimore, Philly -- if you haven't already. Those shows had the full lineup: E.U., J.J. Fad, P.E., D.J. J.J. & F.P., and Run-DMC. And every show on the tour had the then-not-that-well-known Comic MC, Chris Rock.

The Rochester show was late in the tour -- definitely the second leg (post-July 4). But it was before the UIC Chicago show, I think. So while part of my memory says early August, I'm thinking more likely mid-to-late July? (The sequence on that t-shirt you posted is roughly correct, reading the columns vertically, but with some exceptions as I've mentioned. What I remember about the UIC show is it was right after Indianapolis, and there were not a lot of shows after it--it was near the end. But the Birmingham/Chattanooga shows were after it, as were Uniondale, Worcester, Providence ... more than I remembered at the time of my comments a few weeks ago.)

I think LL's set was short -- a lot of times guest artists would only do two or three songs. The one I definitely remember was his current album/single title at the time, "Mama Said Knock You Out." Plus he probably did two or three of his other well known hits. If I remember (I'm not a huge LL fan), his breakout album had been the one before that.

Indianapolis makes me sad because I remember Heavy D played there a few weeks after we did, and a kid on their crew died in a stupid accident. The arena floor there is two stories above the street on the backstage side, and the load-in is up a couple of big zig-zag concrete ramps that had walls about chest high. A couple of the guys were goofing around on these big hampers on wheels that you could roll around on, which were belly-high, and one rolled down the ramp and got pitched over the wall. It was so random and sad, and struck me because we had just been there so I could picture how it happened.

Yes to Chattanooga and Cleveland. (Chattanooga is where Chuck and Will had gone to do a radio interview to boost sales, and were late to the Birmingham show.) I don't remember Nashville one way or the other. We had days off before the Cincinnati show, and strict orders not to tell anyone in Cincinnati who we worked for, or we'd lose our hotel rooms--they were booked under a fictitious name/reason. Cincinnati's a pretty racist town.

Other dates on that shirt that we never played: Denver, the Meadowlands, Capital Centre (Landover, MD). I don't think we played Hampton, VA. And Uniondale, NY (Nassau Coliseum) got moved to before Providence. I'm pretty sure it was the second-to-last night.

You can tell that t-shirt was printed before the tour--it has all the original bookings, even for shows that got cancelled (e.g., Greensboro, Costa Mesa). I don't have it; I think I gave mine away. I'm pretty sure I still have the Tougher Than Leather sweatshirt, though. We did sometimes refer to it as the Tougher Than Leather tour.

And I'm glad to see the shirt has Tyler on it! Between St. Louis and Houston. I knew I wasn't wrong.

I remember drinking a 40 of OE800 and chatting with JMJ at a pool party at the Holiday Inn in Houston on a day off. What a sweet man. That was my first experience with OE or with a 40. I was on my butt pretty quickly. (Jay went through two-plus of them in an hour-long set most nights.)

The only reason I ever heard for changes and cancellations was poor ticket sales. I'm guessing that moving from the Seattle arena to a theater was a way to still do the show(s) without the expense of hauling the whole four-truck production up there for one date. (We never did play north of the Bay Area.) Just a guess, though.

I'm guessing fear was a reason for poor sales. 1988 was the summer of the movie "Colors," and America fearing Crips and Bloods. Remember the joke, "I went to a gang fight and a Run-DMC concert broke out"? Which was for the most part b.s.--we had "Parents Just Don't Understand" on the tour, for crying out loud. But we also had a few Crips and Bloods following around from show to show, in small numbers. There were only four shows with any violence at all -- some crowd tussling in Oakland, Providence, and at one of the rodeo arenas (Odessa, I think); an M-80 thrown on the stage in Oakland, and some violence in the parking lot outside (a shooting, I think) in Jacksonville. There was a rumor of an attempted rape on the floor in Oakland, but nothing came up on that.

But the perception was probably enough to keep a lot of people away. Hip hop was starting to feel family friendly (DJ Jazzy Jeff; Heavy D & the Boyz, LL), but at the same time NWA and Ice-T had just hit, and a lot of white America hadn't sorted it out yet.

Also, there was a night at a rodeo arena in Tyler, TX, that I don't see there. Maybe it got added on one of the dates between New Orleans and Odessa? (Possibly in place of Jackson, which I don't remember but that doesn't mean it didn't happen) Or maybe it's on a later page of the book.

I don't think I'm combining memories (Odessa was also a rodeo arena), because I distinctly remember being worried about the sheriff of Tyler, TX, when his teenage daughter was in the back lounge of the bus with one of the guys, and her mother was running around outside the bus smacking it with her purse, shouting, "I know you're in there!" I wasn't sure we were going to get out of Tyler.

Actually there might have been two nights at the Greek. That would have been the first multi-night date, which means relaxing during the day before the second night, since the show's already installed -- no load-in. My memories of the Greek are (1) the Beastie Boys going on with Run-DMC during their set (very unusual); (2) I think that was the first time I ran lights for PE (our crew chief had been doing that, but he gave it to me around then, for the rest of the tour); and (3) Flavor standing up in the driver's seat of a Mustang convertible, girls in the back, laughing and backing up at an unsafe speed with people jumping out of the way in a crowded backstage parking lot.

I have no memory of Reno, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I have a feeling Fresno might have been cancelled. I don't remember being there, and I do remember flying out of L.A. after the Greek for our mid-tour break. But it's possible Fresno might have been swapped for Reno? I just don't remember. I see the scratch-outs for Tucson and Pacific Amphitheater, which is correct--they cancelled for poor sales. Dallas through St. Louis happened. Austin and San Antonio -- not sure. I don't remember them one way or the other.

Nice score on that tour itinerary! Or as we came to call it, the "book of lies." (Because of changes and cancellations.)

The U.S. arena leg of the tour (the part I was on) ended up rehearsing in Richmond, not Greensboro. The dates from Richmond through CalExpo in Sacramento all look right. The arena production didn't go up to Seattle -- those were one-off theater dates with local production. Shoreline through the Greek is correct, except I only remember one date at the Greek--the second one might have been canceled.

You need to be more careful when reporting setlists for deletion, especially when they are only based on your "knowledge" which may not be as extensive as you think. The Toby Keith show you reported did happen as confirmed below. Please start providing links to sources for your deletion requests unless they are simple wrong dates or similar.

https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/05/22/529500923/how-did-toby-keith-get-to-do-a-concert-in-saudi-arabia

For Miami, look for stories about 2LiveCrew. They were there; that's the one I will never forget.

P.S. Specific dates I remember: the tour rehearsed in Richmond, VA in April and then had the first date there. Second night was Baltimore, third night was Philly. In California, we played Shoreline in Mt. View (local opener: the Dan Reed Network), the Oakland Coliseum, and I think Sacramento (not sure). In Oakland, someone threw an M80 onstage during DJ Jazzy Jeff, interrupting the show.

Sometime late in the tour, we played Rochester NY and LL Cool J was on the bill -- his only appearance with us.

Earlier in the tour, in Florida, there were dates in Miami (2LiveCrew on the bill) and Jacksonville. There was violence (a shooting, if I remember) in the parking lot outside Jacksonville during the show.

Also, at some point we played a rodeo barn in Tyler, TX. That was some kind of day.

Thanks for finding and posting the whole Run's House tour! I've been wanting to go fill those in, but since I didn't keep my tour itinerary, I haven't taken the time to research it. With you filling in the dates, I can go back and fill in the set lists and the memories.

I don't remember the exact order of the middle of each set list, but I know two things: (1) each one was exactly the same every night (unless there was an extremely rare guest appearance, like the Beasties in L.A.). And (2) even if I don't remember the exact order, I'm pretty confident of the songs -- I listened to them night after night for 75 nights.

It was my first tour, so it has a fond place in my head.

Carry on --

Cheech

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