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Hey. Both setlists are fixed. :)

Don't mention it! :)

Hey. I'm sorry for getting back to you so late. It looks like another user took care of it for you. I went through the edit history of that setlist, and I never would have thought that all of those users were bots. I've seen a few of them make edits for years now, especially howler and chudley_cannon, but I always thought that they were just users that never really spoke much... I'm surprised, say the least. If all it takes to stop them from reverting everything is for someone other than you to make an edit on a setlist, then that saves everyone a lot of trouble. I'm sorry that you've had to deal with this...

Hey. I took care of both setlists. The other users shouldn't mess with them again. I don't know why they're editing them without even looking into them... Very weird.

Hello! I took care of both setlists for you. Those users shouldn't revert those setlists back now. If they do, though, I'll report them to an admin if they don't explain to me why they keep reverting the setlists back. I'll keep an eye on those setlists and you probably should, too.

Oh, and just so you know, the Coldplayzone source you provided for the In The City 1998 gig listed the date as September 2nd 1998 for some reason. Not your fault, but I just thought you'd like to know. Maybe that's why the other users kept reverting the setlist back... Anyways, a source I found, as well as word from another user in the comments section of that setlist, show that the gig actually took place on September 14th 1998. The In the City event must have taken place over two days, since Muse and Elbow both played that gig on the 13th. Very interesting...

Anyhow, everything's good! Thank you for letting me know about those setlists! Cheers! :)

No problem! If you need help with anything, just let me know! :)

Hello! Sorry for the late reply. Okay, so I did some research online using the sources that you provided for the 2004 and 2005 setlists in your prior edits, as well as some other sites online, and here's my opinion on the respective issues that you brought up to me.

In regards to the venue for that particular Coldplay show in 2005, I'm actually quite stumped. The source you provided lists the Music Bank Rehearsal Room, while another source I saw online listed it as taking place at the Whitfield Studios. My recommendation, for the time being, would be to leave the venue alone. If you look at that setlist's history, a user named Event_monkey, who is a lifeless bot created by setlist.fm to help document setlists on here, assigned the setlist's venue when it was created. With a few exceptions, the Event_monkey is never usually wrong. If you can find another reputable source (or a few, since that looks better to other users) verifying that the performance indeed took place at the Music Bank Rehearsal Room, then feel free to change the venue, and I will back you up in case anyone gives you any trouble.

In regards to the tour name "X&Y Secret Promo Gigs", I have to agree with the other users on this one. Even if a band does not officially announce a tour name, that does not mean that it is not an appropriate tour label for a string of shows on here. If you look at several different artists on here, like Muse for example, they never had officially announced tours like "Showbiz Promo" and "Simulation Theory Promo Shows", but many of the users that manage their setlists on here agreed unanimously that, even though those shows weren't part of any official tour, it would be helpful to devise a tour name for them since they were all played with the intention to promote the respective album (Showbiz or Simulation Theory) before the official tour started. Things like this are done for the sake of organization, namely. In this particular case, many different sources (including Wikipedia) confirm that Coldplay's "Twisted Logic Tour" began on April 29th 2005. That means that the March 4th show (and every other one before April 29th) was actually a promo show for X&Y, not part of the "Twisted Logic Tour". Now, I'm not actually sure if those gigs were "secret" gigs, but that tour name has been on here since 2009, when the setlists were added to this site, so maybe the users that added them had sources confirming that the shows were in fact secret gigs, but that show and the other pre-April 29th gigs were definitely promo gigs for X&Y.

Also, for your own knowledge, not every setlist has to have a tour label on it; many bands play one-off shows or simply have a random show schedule. For example, Reggie and the Full Effect played a single show in 2010. It wasn't part of any tour. It was announced as a one-off gig that was originally intended to be their last live performance, which was the case up until 2013.

Finally, in regards to the song live debuts with the March 4th 2005 setlist and the July 9th 2004 setlist, again, I'll have to side with the other users. I went through every single source that you provided for the July 9th 2004 setlist, and none of them provided any insight or evidence of the songs they played at that show. Nothing you provided shows that they played those songs. Until you can provide a reputable source showing that the band played those songs in 2004, I'm going to have to say that the first known performances of those songs was on March 4th, 2005.

I'm sorry that things didn't seem to go your way on this one, and that I'm probably telling you things that you either don't want to hear or don't necessarily agree with, but that's just the way it is in my eyes. If you feel strongly enough, you can talk to another admin on here and try to get a second opinion, but know that I wouldn't bullshit you or anybody else on here. I'm being honest with you and at the end of the day, I want what is factual and right for every setlist on here. I wouldn't steer you wrong. If it's any consolation, I'm told things on here by the admins every once in a while that I don't completely agree with or even understand, but I accept that I can't always get my way in regards to a particular issue. Such is life, right? If you decide to look into these issues further and manage to find sufficient evidence that shows that you were right, then use it to back up your edits and prove that you were right from the get-go.

Have a good one! Cheers! :)

Don't apologize, it's all right. I just wanted to give you a head's up, that's all.

Hey there! I've noticed, in your last few edits, that you've been frequently using Songkick and Wikipedia as sources. I'm going to have to ask you to stop using those websites as sources on here. The problem with Songkick is, despite the fact that it usually contains a majority of past tour dates for bands (especially for well-known bands like Coldplay), the website has been known to often contain inaccurate or fake tour dates for shows that never happened. A common mistake that the site and its users make is that it lists the same show twice, but with different dates (such as May 6th and June 5th; 5/6 and 6/5). It also lists shows that have cancelled without saying that they were cancelled, or that some shows have had the date or venue changed due to certain circumstances. I've encountered this countless times myself while adding setlists for artists like Jarvis Cocker and numerous punk rock bands on here, and it's a serious problem. Unless you have other legitimate sources showing that a particular show listed on Songkick happened the way it's listed on there, I would not trust anything the website says.

As for Wikipedia, literally ANYONE can go on there and edit anything on any page of the website, to make it say anything. I can go on Coldplay's Wikipedia page right now and edit it to say that they're an all-female Japanese rap group that started in the year 1453 after Godzilla came down from heaven with Cap'n Crunch and Socrates to give Chris Martin a guitar made from fat children's rotten teeth. Just like on here, people make fake or incorrect edits on Wikipedia and provide misleading information for shits and giggles, or because they've come across inaccurate sources like Songkick and blindly accept it for fact without checking. I'm not saying to not trust anything Wikipedia says, because the site does often contains accurate information that has been backed up by legitimate sources, but when it comes to this website, it can't be trusted unless sources are provided within the pages that contain factual information. Anyone can write misleading information about bands, songs, albums, and add fake tour dates or setlists or whatever to the pages. It's too easy to manipulate, and isn't a reliable source on here.

I'm sorry to drop this on you, and I know how hard (and sometimes irritating) it is to find legitimate sources and be sure about them, but hopefully you'll understand and not use those two sources anymore. I apologize for this inconvenience.

Hello! Haha don't worry about it. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. Regarding your question, the show is legitimate. Four setlist.fm users attended the show. It's odd that the show isn't listed in so many sources, but it did occur. It's likely just a weird coincidence. I wouldn't worry about it. :)

Also, just so you know, last night I removed every "Last time played live" note from as many Coldplay setlists I could find. Just so you know, for the future, notes like that are more detrimental than they are helpful. While they are helpful in regards to cateloging songs, most of those songs stand a chance of being played live again by the band in the future (especially songs like "Politik" and "Speed of Sound"), and it's just a pain to have to go back and re-edit the setlists based on when the songs are later performed, plus all of the emails that kind of thing can result in... Besides, you can see that a particular performance of a song was the last one on here simply by checking the song's statistics. I mean, notes like that are just kind of unnecessary. It's not like a live debut note, which can help assure users when the song started appearing on the band's setlists. Those are helpful. "Last time played live" notes are not.

I know you personally didn't put most of those notes on those songs, other users are to blame for that, but I have seen you put a couple on some songs, and I just wanted to let you know. Some people are REALLY notorious with notes like that, especially with bands that have broken up, like Nirvana or Joy Division, and it's just a pain to have to deal with... Anyways, I hope this was helpful! Let me know if there's anything else I can help you with! :)

Just a head's up, I put the note on every performance of "YWTUD", except for two performances: the live debut performance and a later performance that featured different lyrics from the other performances. I left the note off of those two performances because all of the necessary info wouldn't fit, and leaving a note on the bottom of the setlist for something like this would look really tacky. If anyone edits those setlists incorrectly for whatever reason, I'll change them back. Just thought I'd let you know so you don't have to do it. :)

Hello! Regarding your question, I did some research, and found that the song that Coldplay played live is an unreleased song called "Your World Turns Upside Down". I've provided a link below. Since the song has such a similar title to "The World Turned Upside Down", it might be good if a note was added to every performance of the song, something to the effect of...

@Info[Unreleased song; not to be confused with Fix You b-side "The World Turned Upside Down"]

Make sure that the note, if you decide use the one I just typed, isn't cut off after you edit the setlists, because there is a limit to how many characters you can use for @Info tags when they're attached to songs.

I hope this helps! I'm going to try to take care of this issue myself after I take care of a couple of other things. Thank you for your question! Technical things like this are important because similar song titles can cause other users that don't know about them to make incorrect edits. :)

(Scroll down to the unreleased song section to see this info. Look for "Your World Turns Upside Down".)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Coldplay

That source you just showed me, from the Mylo Xyloto sessions, actually verifies that wasn't really a tour date for the Viva la Vida tour. It says, "an open rehearsal for about 100 people". It's a standalone warm-up show that was done a few days before the tour resumed on June 16th. I'll make the appropriate edits for that setlist now. Great job finding that page! :)

Hello! Very interesting question... I think for now, it should be left alone and marked as being a part of the Viva la Vida tour because there are already several sporadic 2008 dates ranging from January through May, which pre-date the gig in question, and I just think it would look a bit odd if it wasn't marked. I mean, it's not a short promotional performance like being on Jimmy Fallon or David Letterman; it's a full-blown concert. So, unless you or someone else can find something verifying that it isn't part of the Viva la Vida tour, I just say leave it be. What's the harm, you know? :)

It's all right, don't worry about it. :) You're not the only one I've had to do that for. At least you mean well. I've had to deal with some really nasty people on here in the past that go out of their way to mess up setlists just to get a rise out of us, and it's incredibly frustrating... I've had people threaten me personally. Some people are just horrible... What can you do with people like that, you know? You can't reason with them. I'd rather go through a million emails from someone like you than have to deal with trolly users again... Anyways, yeah, just take some time to research your sources. It makes things a lot easier for everybody, including yourself. And you can make edits! I don't want you to feel like you have a limit to how many you can do, just for my sake or for the sake of others. I'm just saying that you should make them count. Do them only if you feel that they're necessary, and don't hesitate to ask me or any other Roadies/Admins any questions you might have. I'm glad we had this talk. I feel better, and I hope you do, too. :) Thank you very much! I don't know where you are in the world, but where I am, it's nighttime. Unless you have any other questions or concerns, goodnight to you! Cheers!

There's a limit on how many characters (letters) we can use for comments on here, which is why my response is in two parts. I apologize for this inconvenience.

PART 2 OF RESPONSE:

All of that being said, I don't want you to think that I harbor any negative feelings towards you. Quite the opposite, actually. With the exception of the "little bitch" comment you just made (which I do not appreciate), you have been remarkably polite on here and very cooperative with me and with many of the other Roadies and Admins on here. You seem to have a genuine love and concern with the setlists on here and how they are represented, which is why I and so many others are on here, and you also seem to want to attain an understanding of the rules of the site you can continue to make well-grounded edits without upsetting anyone, which is really commendable. While I am still a bit annoyed with some of the editing you've done to Coldplay's setlists, I really do appreciate your presence on here. I wish that a lot of other people were as dedicated to their favorite bands' setlists on here as you are to Coldplay's, because maybe then more bands would have fewer empty setlists...

I would like to conclude this massive reply by letting you know that if you ever decide to ask me any questions you might have in the future, I promise you that I will reply as soon as I can and try to be as informative, helpful, and polite as I can. Do keep in mind that I have a VERY BUSY life/schedule outside of this site, so if I don't reply right away, just be patient and I will get to you. If you don't want to ask me anything again in the future, then frankly, I can't really blame you considering my rudeness. I would also like to, once again, apologize to you for my recent behavior. It was uncalled for and unjustified. As a Roadie, I am supposed to set an example for other users on here. My behavior was an example of what not to do to anyone on here, especially when they genuinely need help. If you can forgive me for that, I would greatly appreciate it. If not, then know that I do understand and hopefully we can continue to coexist as users on here for the good of the setlists...

I would like to ask you, in the future, to please consider your edits before you make them. Always check the guidelines of the website if you're unsure, and always double check the sources you use. Wikipedia isn't a credible source because anyone can edit it and make it say anything, and there are several sources out there online for every band that are either deliberately false or incidentally incorrect. Always try to be sure. Having to go back and re-edit setlists is a serious drag (believe me, I know), and constantly editing setlists results in an endless onslaught of emails, which many users on here (myself included) don't appreciate from anyone. Just think before you act, is all I'm saying. We all could stand to do that a bit more often, I think...

I apologize for making you wait so long for this response. Hopefully we can put all of this behind us for the good of the site. :)

PART 1 OF RESPONSE:

No, not maybe. I most definitely do have a point. Read the guidelines of the website. Coldplay never used "Happy Birthday to You" as an intro to any of their own songs and/or cover versions. They never teased it or played only snippets of it. In every instance, they sang the entire song a-cappella (more than likely with crowd participation), which still counts as a song performance. Therefore, this means that the song is meant to be listed as its own performance, regardless of whether or not the song was written on a physical setlist by the band. Some bands tend to stray from their own setlists at times (Radiohead is an excellent example of this), so you can't just rely on written setlists as sources. Depending on the situation, for edits on here, they're a very good place to start, but what if a particular song was skipped at a concert? What if the show was unexpectedly cut short? What if a band comes out for an unplanned encore? What if that setlist was scrapped and the band played an entirely different setlist? My point is that while they do hold water and are often very reliable sources, written setlists do not completely dictate how a concert will go and how a setlist on here should be assembled.

Also, for your own knowledge, people using this website for digital music playlists is completely irrelevant in any instance in regards to how the setlists on this site are assembled. I've been using this site for assembling my own iPod playlists for years, for HUNDREDS of bands, and regarding bands' performances of random covers or songs like "Happy Birthday to You", I tend to just disregard them for my own playlists. You don't have to include every song a band plays for a playlist, you know? More often than not, I've found, your playlists aren't going to 100% match every setlist on here, so you eventually learn to live and let live. It's all about compromising for the best listening experience. :)

Now, in regards to your question... Honestly, MG100617, I didn't answer because I didn't want to, and I would like to apologize to you for this. It was incredibly rude on my part, as a person and as a Roadie on this site. I know better than to do that, especially to someone that very sincerely and very politely asked me for help with issues that they didn't completely understand. If I may be perfectly honest with you, I didn't want to answer your questions because I was VERY annoyed by the amount of edits you were making. I receive emails whenever someone on here edits the setlists of a particular artist (in my case, that's HUNDREDS of artists, including Coldplay), and because you were making SO MANY EDITS on Coldplay's setlists, many of which were made without credible (or any) sources, and quite a few of which had absolutely no point to them (such as the frequent "Coldplay Tour" edits), I took it upon myself to go through every individual email I received with your username on it because I wanted to make sure that no inappropriate edits were being made. It's nothing personal, I'm just doing my job. I was promoted to a Roadie because I follow and enforce the rules of the site. However, this does not validate my rude behavior and it most certainly is not an excuse for it; I'm just telling you how I felt.

You can request setlists for deletion by clicking the "Duplicate setlist" or "Fake setlist" links on the setlist page.

No problem. I hope you understand the reason for not "experimenting" with setlists of major artists. I know you think that leaving it "correct" in the end justifies it but there are negative effects. Not big ones, but definite effects.

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