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Hi, I have checked the show you mentioned and confirmed "Yamano Hall" is appropriate.
I have added some info of this venue.
By the way, I have enjoyed Renaissance at Hibiya Yagai Ongakudou, Tokyo, in 2010. :)

Please remove your comment from June 2, 2018 from my home page. Thanx!

Thanks for correction and update of Ten Years After show at Usher Hall in 1970. :)

Alright, you seem to have changed the venue for this gig, https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/vantage-point/2004/unknown-venue-dundee-scotland-1bc66d9c.html I played at that gig with my band, Vantage Point, and it was definitely at the Doghouse.

You can check Dundee band, SAZ and all the gigs they played at the Doghouse prior to December 2004, including this one at, http://www.officialsaz.com/gigsandevents2.htm

Hi mate! Did you remove the venue details for the Balze Bayley gig at The Doghouse in 2001? The gig info is now telling me it was at an unknown venue and when I try and add the Doghouse it tells me the gig date was outwith the venue's opening dates. This definitely isn't true - the gig was at the Doghouse, it's the only time I've been there! It was also definitely called The Doghouse at the time. I've probably still got the ticket somewhere! Actually, it's even listed here on the gig history of the support band: http://www.officialsaz.com/gigsandevents2.htm

Thanks you for the go ahead to revert "Stagger Lee" by the Grateful Dead. In the future before doing any major revisions I will check with you or another mod first. Peace!

Hello. You have changed the venue for many setlists to Seneca Niagara Resort & Casino, Niagara Falls. This building complex has 3 distinct venues for music, as listed on their website and as I have seen: Seneca Niagara Events Center, The Bear's Den Showroom, and Club 101 nightclub (which I believe has changed its name to Stir). They also hold an occasional outdoor event. I have been trying to clarify these as I find them. Is there any way to revert them back to what they were previously? Thanks.

Hi Ben. Despite your doubts about the setlists I put on to your website, I only put on the gigs that I know that have been published in the UK music press (NME/Melody Maker, etc..), biographies, band websites, bootleg recordings or from flyers. I never guess at anything. However, I take what you have to say and will show you my source in the future.

Cheers. Tether18.

Ben my apologies for the double posting of some of the information, I hope it helps.

Ice Nine owns the rights to the Grateful Dead Song "Stagger Lee"

Ice Nine Publishing Company, Inc.
Profile:
Music rights and print publishing company of the members and heirs of deceased members of The Grateful Dead. Administered by Universal Music Publishing Group since September, 2014. Overseen by Janet Soto-Knudsen and has Robert Hunter as CEO. It has been associated with both BMI and ASCAP in the past.

May appear as:
Ice Nine Publishing Co. Inc
Ice Nine Publishing Co., Inc.
Ice Nine Publishing Company Inc.

Please consider also:
Ice Nine (3)
Ice Nine Music
Ice Nine Music Pub.
Ice Nine Publishing
Ice Nine Publishing Co.

History:

Robert Hunter, chief lyricist of The Grateful Dead, chose the name based on Ice-9, a new form of water, which once released from its vial would crystallize all forms of water on the planet to permanent ice from Kurt Vonnegut's novel, 'Cat's Cradle'.
Ice Nine's logo is the I Ching hexagram for 'Gathering Together' changing to 'Holding Together'.

Rock Scully was instrumental in forming Ice Nine as a partnership of Grateful Dead's writers in 1967. The legendary San Francisco music lawyer of the time, Brian Rohan set it up. Ice Nine was registered as a corporation by the Dead’s long time attorney, Hal Kant in 1970.

As an Independent company Ice Nine handled North American music rights and the Dead's newsletter. Warner Bros. Music Co. administered the foreign collections and print publishing. CEO and majority shareholder, Robert Hunter, always oversaw Ice Nine and still has veto powers over Universal pertaining to rights usage. For most of its independent life, day-to-day management and licensing administration was the domain of Alan Trist, from 1970 until 2014 with a brief hiatus in the early - mid 90s. Annette Flowers, Bonnie Parker (3), Eileen Law, Nancy Mallonee and Janet Soto-Knudsen took care of the clerical, bookkeeping and financial administration functions at various times.
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Contact Info:
Ice Nine Publishing Company, Inc.
P.O. Box 1073
San Rafael, CA 94915
Phone: (415) 258-1542
Fax: (415) 454-6474
info@iceninepublishing.com

Link to previous post
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Stagolee_(Journal_of_American_Folk-Lore)

Lyrics By: Robert Hunter
Music By: Jerry Garcia
1978
Ice Nine Publishing

http://www.dead.net/song/stagger-lee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbwDgbw1yuQ

Nineteen forty, Xmas eve, with the full moon over town (note 1)
Stagger Lee shot Billy DeLyon and he blew that poor boy down
Do you know what he shot him for, what do you make of that
'Cause Billy DeLyon threw lucky dice, won Stagger Lee's stetson hat

Baio, Baio, tell me how can this be
You go arrest the girls for turning tricks but you're scared of Stagger Lee
Stagger Lee is a mad man, and he shot my Billy dead
Baio go get him, or give the job to me

Delia, Delia, dear sweet Delia D
How the hell can I arrest him, when he's twice as big as me
Well don't ask me to go downtown, I wouldn't come back alive
Not only is that mother big, he packs a forty five

Baio, Delia said, just give me a gun
He shot my Billy dead and now I'm gonna see him hung
She waded to DeLyon's club through Billy DeLyon's blood
Stepped up to Stagger Lee at the bar, said buy me a gin fizz love

As Stagger Lee lit a cigarette, she shot him in the balls (note 2)
Blew the smoke off her revolver, had him dragged to City Hall
Baio, Baio, see you hang him high
He shot my Billy dead and now he's got to die

Delia went a-walking down on Singapore Street
Three piece band on the corner played 'nearer my God to thee'
But Delia whistled a different tune, what tune could it be
The song that woman sang was look out Stagger Lee
The song that Delia sang was look out Stagger Lee

Based on the traditional song "Stagger Lee", "Stagolee" or "Stack O'Lee." Robert Hunter wrote a version that he performed solo, and Jerry Garcia subsequently re-ordered the lyrics and rewrote the music for the Grateful Dead's version. More recently Bob Weir has also been performing some of the older traditional versions with Ratdog.

This is the version as performed by the Grateful Dead.

Nineteen forty, Xmas eve, with the full moon over town
Stagger Lee shot Billy DeLyon and he blew that poor boy down
Do you know what he shot him for, what do you make of that
'Cause Billy DeLyon threw lucky dice, won Stagger Lee's stetson hat

Baio, Baio, tell me how can this be
You go arrest the girls for turning tricks but you're scared of Stagger Lee
Stagger Lee is a mad man, and he shot my Billy dead
Baio go get him, or give the job to me

Delia, Delia, dear sweet Delia D
How the hell can I arrest him, when he's twice as big as me
Well don't ask me to go downtown, I wouldn't come back alive
Not only is that mother big, he packs a forty five

Baio, Delia said, just give me a gun
He shot my Billy dead and now I'm gonna see him hung
She waded to DeLyon's club through Billy DeLyon's blood
Stepped up to Stagger Lee at the bar, said buy me a gin fizz love

As Stagger Lee lit a cigarette, she shot him in the balls
Blew the smoke off her revolver, had him dragged to City Hall
Baio, Baio, see you hang him high
He shot my Billy dead and now he's got to die

Delia went a-walking down on Singapore Street
Three piece band on the corner played 'nearer my God to thee'
But Delia whistled a different tune, what tune could it be
The song that woman sang was look out Stagger Lee
The song that Delia sang was look out Stagger Lee

Based on the traditional song "Stagger Lee", "Stagolee" or "Stack O'Lee." Robert Hunter wrote a version that he performed solo, and Jerry Garcia subsequently re-ordered the lyrics and rewrote the music for the Grateful Dead's version. More recently Bob Weir has also been performing some of the older traditional versions with Ratdog.

This is the version as performed by the Grateful Dead.

Concerning Stagger Lee traditional song vs Grateful Dead song of same name.

Stagolee (Journal of American Folk-Lore)

Stagolee (1911)
by Anonymous
Stack-A-Lee

Traditional

Two variations appeared in the 1911 edition of The Journal of American-Folk Lore. The first is a variant found in Georgia, the second is found in Mississippi, Louisiana, and Tennessee.
First variation

I got up one mornin‚' jes' 'bout four o'clock;
Stagolee an' big bully done have one finish' fight:
What 'bout? All 'bout dat raw-hide Stetson hat.

Stagolee shot Bully; Bully fell down on de flo',
Bully cry out: "Dat fohty-fo‚' hurts me so."
Stagolee done killed dat Bully now.

Sent for de wagon, wagon didn't come,
Loaded down wid pistols an' all dat gatlin' gun,
Stagolee done kill dat Bully now.

Some giv' a nickel, some giv' a dime,
I didn't give a red copper cent, 'cause he's no friend o' mine,
Stagolee done kill dat Bully now.

Carried po' Bully to cemetary, people standin' 'round,
When preacher say Amen, lay po' body down,
Stagolee done kill dat Bully now.

Fohty dollah coffin, eighty dollah hack,
Carried po' man to cemetary but failed to bring him back,
Ev'y body been dodgin‚' Stagolee.
Second variation

Stagolee, Stagolee, what's dat in yo' grip?
Nothin' but my Sunday clothes, I'm goin' to take a trip,
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Stagolee, Stagolee, where you been so long?
I been out on de battle fiel' shootin' an‚' havin' fun,
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Stagolee was a bully man, an' ev'y body knowed,
When dey seed Stagolee comin', to give Stagolee de road,
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Stagolee started out, he give his wife his han‚',
"Good-by, darlin', I'm goin‚' to kill a man."
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Stagolee killed a man an' laid him on de flo',
What's dat he kill him wid? Dat same ole fohty-fo'.
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Stagolee killed a man an' laid him on his side,
What‚'s dat he kill him wid? Dat same ole fohty-five.
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Out of house an' down de street Stagolee did run,
In his hand he held a great big smokin' gun.
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Stagolee, Stagolee, I'll tell you what I'll do,
If you'll git me out'n dis trouble I'll do as much for you.
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Ain't it a pity, ain't it a shame?
Stagolee was shot, but he don't want no name.
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Stagolee, Stagolee, look what you done done,
Killed de best ole citerzen; now you'll hav' to be hung.
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

Stagolee cried to de jury an' to de judge: Please don't take my life,
I have only three little children an' one little lovin' wife.
O dat man, bad man, Stagolee done come.

This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published before January 1, 1923. It may be copyrighted outside the U.S.

Ben here is another link to weather or not Stagger Lee is Traditional or written by Hunter/Garcia.
http://www.dead.net/song/stagger-lee

Also: "Stagger Lee" is an original Garcia/Hunter composition based on the oft-covered folk song
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakedown_Street

Ben, Stagger Lee is a Grateful Dead song written by Robert Hunter and Jerry Garcia. It was published and released in 1978 on the Grateful Dead album Shakedown Street. It is a totally different story and Robert Hunter is the author of the lyrics, and deserves the credit. It is also published in Robert Hunters 1990 book "Box of Rain" which is a complete compilation of the songs he had written between1965-1990.

"Stagger Lee", also known as "Stagolee" and other variants, is a popular American folk song about the murder of Billy Lyons by "Stag" Lee Shelton in St. Louis, Missouri at Christmas
The Grateful Dead recorded a version of the tale which focuses on the fictionalized hours after the death of "Billy DeLyon", when Billy's wife Delia tracks down Stagger Lee in a local saloon and "she shot him in the balls" in revenge for Billy's death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagger_Lee

https://history-of-songs.wikispaces.com/The+Grateful+Dead

https://history-of-songs.wikispaces.com/The+Grateful+Dead

Furthermore since we are on the discussion of errors in the Grateful Dead statistics. You might want to take a look at "Cold Rain and Snow" before I start editing. It is a traditional song but is reflected as a Grateful Dead song.

This is my child with autism looking at these setlist, he has he love for country music setlist so I’m sorry the inconvenience he is causing you.

That Outsiders book "Outsiders by Insiders" is a goldmine for info on gigs and venues that they played at in the 60's in the Netherlands. It also has a complete(as far as is known) gigography for them up until the end of 1969. I never knew that they opened for Little Richard in Paris, and Pink Floyd and The Rolling Stones in the Netherlands. I'll be transferring those dates to the site this week. I've been putting address to venues when I can as well. More later...:)

Found the venue for that 3 June 1967 show by the Small Faces in Rotterdam. it was De Energiehallen at the "Modern Beat 67" per the "Outsiders by Insiders" book.

Hey Ben. I changed that Outsiders Auburn 1969 show from the Dutch group to the US group. I read the Dutch Outsiders biography last year, and they didn't say anything about playing any USA dates. I'm going back through it now to get the European dates and venues on the site. Also added more addresses fro venues in Texas, Lousiana, and Edinburgh!! More later...:)

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