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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise you were still correcting them! Hope I didn't make your work more difficult or complicated... : (

Hi, I noticed that you recently merged/corrected some of the Akarenga/Yokohama Red Brick Warehouse venues. I just wanted to let you know that I cleaned up these venues a little more: I merged all the outdoor shows into "Yokohama Akarenga Sōko", and all of the indoor shows into "Yokohama Akarenga Sōko 1-Gōkan". I then added explanations to each venue page, to help users in the future determine the best venue to use.

If you look at the official Akarenga website, "1-Gōkan" is the name they use for the building where all the indoor concerts are held (I think most of them are in the 3F hall, but since some might be in the 2F "creative space", I used the name of the building instead of "Akarenga Sōko 3F Hall"). Plus, this is how it's written on live schedules and concert tickets (e.g. http://www.gacharicspin.com/livehistory2016.html ).
https://www.yokohama-akarenga.jp/floorguide/

For outdoor shows, the setlist.fm convention is to simply use the name of the space. "Outdoor/okugai" shouldn't be included in the venue name, similar to how we use "Makuhari Messe" for all outdoor, unknown, etc. concerts and "Makuhari Messe Event Hall" or "Makuhari Messe International Exhibition Hall" for the concerts in those specific rooms.

Anyway, just wanted to let you know why I was changing your corrections ; )
Thank you again for all the great work, though! : )

Im glad my "ocd" helped something :D always nice with the correct venues!

hi, could i please ask you where did you find the setlist info for Red hot chili peppers 1992 may 07 show?

Thanks for the correction of the Pantera gig ("may 1 1994), I got bit overeager to add old setlists and thought it was enough research, I'll look for more than one source if I try to add old setlists in the future!

This is the source I used:
http://loudness.s601.xrea.com/Tour/1992.html
It's also listed on the August 1992 issue of "Rockin' f"

Zenryaku.
sabwh sama.

How have you been?

By the way, I am so sorry to have taken up your time to edit my post these days.
I always check for the venue before posting it but... orz
I will be more careful of it in future.

Sousou.

Hey sabwh
They were intentional. I think the shows were held in an open area within the complex.
https://www45.atwiki.jp/bisidol/pages/21.html

Hey sabwh, you're correct it's in Kujukuri.

Hey sabwh, I just checked and it's RUIDO K4 in Shinjuku

Zenryaku.
sabwh sama.

BINGO!!!
After reading your comment and sending reply to you,
I have been thinking, "Wait a minutes, sabwh, is he a Japanese??? He knows too much about Japan..., too much...".

Well, after reading the articles and pictures on 3 web sites you tell me,
I'm starting to think the same thing too, maybe it's ADMIN.'s mistake...

So... I will leave final decision up to you about this case and follow your judgment.
Because you are Moderator but I am just User.

Sousou.

Dear Moderator sabwh.
Oh! we see the same source!!!
Anyway, last letter of KANJI of that venue name is "ya", not "za".
"ya"
https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%B1%8B
"za"
https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%BA%A7

And I am Japanese in Japan.
So I searched that venue's information, but found nothing.
There is a possibility of special pronunciation as JUKUGO and so on maybe,
well... finally I think "Mirakuya", not "Mirakuza" (or "Sanrakuya", "Sangakuya"???).
But I am not 100% sure...

P.S.
English is not my first language.
If you don't understand well what I wrote. Sorry about that.

Hi, in case you didn't see the post in the forum, michi answered our question: we should be using the town name (or the nearest town's name, if the venue is not in a town), not the district/"gun".

I already changed all the Naeba Ski Resort setlists back to Yuzawa, but I just wanted to let you know in case there are other venues that need to be corrected!

Thanks for working together with me on this issue : )

Okay, no problem! Enjoy your trip : )

Hi sabwh,
Thank you for all the kind words! I'm looking forward to working with you as well : )

Now, about whether we should use districts or towns for rural Japanese venues, I thought it might be best to post the question on the forum and see what the other moderators suggest. What do you think?

Hi sabwh,
Thank you for taking the time to type such a thorough explanation! I agree that it's unclear what should be considered a city for Japanese venues, and you were right that Naeba Ski Resort is definitely not located in the city of Niigata.

I suppose that we need to create a consistent system for naming venue locations in Japan. For example, right now for most setlists, all of the 23 wards are considered to be simply "Tokyo" (which I agree is the best way to sort them); however, there are still some setlists that use "Shibuya-ku", "Minato-ku", etc. But what should we do about other cities in Tokyo-to, like Hachioji, Machida, etc.? Right now, some of these setlists use Tokyo as a city, and some use their separate "shi". (I feel like it's probably better to separate them, but since you are the moderator, the decision is yours.)

As for whether to use districts/counties ("gun") or towns/villages, there are arguments for both. In Japan, it's true that districts are at the same administrative level as cities, so it would make sense to use those from a Japanese standpoint. At the same time, when you look at setlists from rural towns in North America and Europe, they always use the town name, never the name of the district/county/department/etc. So from a global standpoint, if we're trying to keep setlist.fm the same across all countries, it's better to use the town/village name.

Oh, and also, if you scroll to the bottom of the Fuji Rock Festival website, they write the address as "Niigata-ken Yuzawa-machi Naeba Ski-jyou":
http://www.fujirockfestival.com/

Again, since you're the moderator for Japanese venues, in the end it's your decision. But either way, you shouldn't include "-gun" or "-machi"/"-mura" in the location of venues, since other cities in Japan don't include "-shi" or "-to". Also, a small detail, but if you are going to keep using "Minami-Uonuma", both the M and the U should be capitalized. (According to the style guide at https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Language/Japanese you were right that the "-gun" should be lowercase, since it is a suffix, but for proper nouns in English the letter after a hyphen also needs to be capitalized.)

Anyway, thank you so much for all your help cleaning up this site! A year ago, I was reporting problems with Japanese venues and festivals all the time, but now I'm seeing fewer and fewer mistakes. Otsukare-sama deshita! : )

Hi, I noticed that you just changed the location of Naeba Ski Resort to Minami-Uonuma-gun, but this is incorrect. "Gun" translates to "district" or "county" in English; the city ("machi"/"toshi") is Yuzawa.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naeba_Ski_Resort
http://www.princehotels.com/naeba/map-direction/

Glad to hear! That was actually quite fast :-). Yes, we added a couple more for you just in case the one doesn't fit. Now you have some to choose from or to give away as presents, your choice :-)

Hey there! I saw some of your edits into "Amagasaki-shi Sogo Bunka Center" from "Archaic Hall, Amagasaki, Japan". Could you please add the old/incorrect venue name as an alias to the correct one? This will help ensure that setlists added in the future are assigned to the correct venue, and people don't re-create the incorrect venue name.

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