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Clarification please...sorry if seems sad question:
When I allocated the pre christmas Snow Patrol instore shows (mini tour to boost album sales in first week) https://www.setlist.fm/user/luke71 (american user who would have limited knowledge of the workings of the uk independent record store network) refused to let me do allocate these shows as a seperate tour. I did not want a "fuight2 so let it go. This week Bombay bicycle club have done the same thing for their new album and someone has (rightly in my opinion) allocated the shows to "EEHGW Album Launch Tour".
Could you please give some clarification of does a small set of shows in various venues around the country in a pre-set time span constitute a separate tour.
In the case of the snow patrol shows they were stripped back (3 members of band) doing 8 song sets in small venues. These seem as much a "tour" as a full band playing large venues The O2, Birmingham, Manchester and Glasgow in a week and calling it the UK leg of so and so tour (for example)

Hello
These https://www.setlist.fm/festival/1997/bravo-super-show-1997-6bd7be4e.html were probably broadcast on Feb 7, 1997 since they surely performed in Brussels on the same day (old Humo magazine). Since the three days before they didn't perform, and on Feb 3 they were in Berlin, it probably is one of these 3 dates.

point of interest / clarification. "The Beat"(UK). I noted that "The Beat featuring Ranking Roger" were showing songs originally released by the beat (of which Ranking roger was a member and co-song writer) as Ranking Roger songs (therefore not allocated to album). I amended one setlist and suggested (politely) that the other setlists by this incarnation of the band were reviewed and amended as necessary. The setlist previous amender reversed the setlist back to Ranking Roger songs and replied (politely) that they were a) not covers (incorrect in my understanding of the guidelines) and b) the Beat featuring Dave Wakeling songs originally by the beat were not shown as covers so why should ranking Rogers version ...A good point.
So this site now has the situation where, for example the song "Mirror in the Bathroom" is shown as a song by the beat (correctly allocated to "I just can't stop it" album)
https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/the-beat-33d6c0dd.html?song=Mirror+in+the+Bathroom
AND to The Beat featuring Ranking Roger
https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/the-beat-featuring-ranking-roger-73ca22a5.html?song=Mirror+in+the+Bathroom
AND to the Beat featuring Dave Wakeling
https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/the-beat-starring-dave-wakeling-7bca22a8.html?song=Mirror+In+the+Bathroom
However "Dave Wakeling" solo does show it as a The Beat cover !
Surely this is farcical. Can you sort it our / make a ruling. I do not want to get into a setlist revision "war"
nb It would appear that this is an issue for all The Beat songs on the Ranking Roger and Dave Wakeling versions of the beat. I was just using Mirror in the bathroom as an example.

ABC included numerous entries for "The Look of Love, Part 1" by ABC and "The Look of Love Part one". Both are allocated to the Lexicon of Love album. These are surely the same song. Can you amend these so they all show as "The Look of Love part one (although it should really be "The Look of Love (part one).

There are over 2300 setlists across hundreds of bands on this site that use the promo naming convention in naming tours to differentiate between regularly ticketed performances shows and special shows that are performed in front of the public but are often part of the promotional work of the band for broadcast on tv, radio, internet, or for unique performances for a smaller public audience or contest winners etc.

Since the early days of this site users have requested the ability to add sub-categories in the tour labeling. Until that functionality is added to the site the community and numerous moderators have utilized adding promo to a tour name and this allows a band's community to correctly count and filter shows. I'm going to change back the Wilder Mind, Babel & Sigh No More setlists that you changed recently.

MusicNation - Per the above discussion with pomes27 I'm going to change back the Mumford & Sons setlists that were previously listed as Wilder Mind Promo Shows (and the Sigh No More Promo Shows and Babel Promo Shows) that you changed in the last few months, removing "Promos Shows". Because these shows are different from regular tour dates this labelling of TV, radio, promo gigs and awards show one-offs allows for easy counting and filtering and has been in place for years. I discovered your recent changes while trying to pull the number of radio & promo shows done by M&S in 2011 and returned no results as the promo shows are listed as regular tour dates. I searched the forum and do not see a thread with an official decision that Promo Shows can't be used so will proceed.

Yes. Please create a forum topic, and we can both add our opinions there for group discussion.

That's exactly why those dates had the word "promo" in the tour field. It's a great way of grouping TV, radio, promo gigs and awards show one-offs.
Such a blanket decision MUST be discussed with the full moderator team, before making edits that will only be discovered by people revisiting the data.

Why did you remove the tour name "April Uprising Promo" from a bunch of JBT shows? This is completely unhelpful and counter-productive!!

So it's basically the same? E.g. "Carnival of Madness": one base festival "Carnival of Madness" and then occurrences such as "Carnival of Madness Jacksonville 2010". Tour names are also covered by the guidelines. Compare to Lilith Fair

Sorry, I don't get it, is there any major difference to e.g. "Sonisphere Festival"? https://www.setlist.fm/guidelines#festivalsNaming

Hey, shouldn't this be covered by the guidelines for touring festivals? Or is this a special case?

Hi, as stated in the forum topic, musicbrainz import is currently broken. Importing your mentioned artists work again after it has been fixed. cheerio

Hi MusicNation! Michi already addressed that here:
http://www.setlist.fm/forum/setlistfm/website-support/spam-troll-user-3d6b9df?page=14#13d60979

I've been trying to stay out of this discussion :-)
Cheers!

Hi MusicNation, thanks for the reply, and sorry if I sounded angry.

Regarding the Superbowl setlist, I just felt that there should be a note at the bottom stating that it was performed at the Superbowl (as my previous versions did), since unless you are looking at the index, there is no indication on the setlist that it took place at the Superbowl.

'The Pledge of Allegiance' was clearly quoted after 'This Land is Your Land', so that should be reflected in the notes for that number, as I did in my previous versions.

I also feel it is informative to note that she played the piano on "Million Reasons", since she usually does not play an instrument while performing, and this has been done on many of her other setlists.

Lastly, I am skeptical about all the notes associated with "Pokerface", which seem to have survived the many changes. I am not an expert on Lady Gaga, but it does not seem to me that those songs were highlighted during the performance, and even if so, it must have been extremely fleeting.

Finally, regarding the ARTPOP tour, please look into it. I have asked gangbang to clarify where he got the "Act I - VI" idea from, but he has not responded. There were brief pauses in between those numbers for costume changes, but they were certainly not "acts".

Nice show of favoritism on the Lady Gaga Super Bowl setlist, and inaccurate to boot. She only sang one verse of 'God Bless America' and 'This Land is Your Land' (hence the snippet description in the previous versions), and there was indeed a quote from the Pledge of Allegiance.

By contrast, I don't know what all the nonsense that is tagged after 'Poker Face' is all about, but somehow that seems to pass muster with you. I defy anyone to show evidence that the performance contained 'elements' of all those songs. However, it was patently clear she quoted the Pledge of Allegiance, yet somehow that information was deemed unnecessary. Great job.

Hi! Merging done. I suppose the problem why you couldn't do it yourself was that the right artist wasn't in the list? Just try using the artist's mbid in the search field next time.

Hola
Venia a decir que pusiste otro artista en los días que toco Coldplay, es "Hana", no "Hana Pleste". No te preocupes que ya los corregí, solo hay que borrar los que aparecen con "Hana Pleste" en La Plata. Otra cosa, el día 1/04 no pude poner en Hana "@Info(Opening for Coldplay). Lo podes hacer vos, por favor?. Saludos

eg. http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/sara-bareilles/2011/brisbane-entertainment-centre-brisbane-australia-53c7c325.html
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ry-cuming/2011/brisbane-entertainment-centre-brisbane-australia-5bc7c324.html

Neither Sarah Bareilles or Ry Cuming toured to promote Maroon 5's Hands All Over. They each toured to promote their own releases. The fact that they were supporting Maroon 5 is irrelevant (in setlist.fm's eyes).

I've noticed you adding tour names like this before but haven't said anything until now. Although I personally wish there was a better system, this is the format that we all must follow for now.

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